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I haven't updated properly for over a week - bad wombat!

So - Daughter-dear is home, she looks well, seems to have avoided Fresher's weight gain, and whilst happy to be home misses the new, York, friends. This is good - it just confirms for me that she is happy there, and doing well. It is lovely to have her home, but also lovely to not have to worry about her when she goes back. She is doing well academically, gaining good marks for her essays, and soaking up the lectures like a little sponge.

I must have missed my LJ 2 year anniversary, because I remember that my first entry was about the Church Nativity Service, and we had this year's on Sunday.

As usual it went well, everyone said 'What a lovely service,' - and as usual that was only what could be seen from the congregation! In fact 18 year old Slightly-Goth niece arrived just nano-seconds before the minister came in, and she was doing one of the readings, and the 18 year old who was to be Joseph had been at a party the night before, and was rather hung-over. He still managed to get to church, and get his costume on, but during the first carol had to dash out to be sick!

Realising what was happening, one of the men in the congregation went to check on him - and when we first started to tell the story of Gabriel appearing to Mary, as I looked down from the sanctuary there was no 'Joseph' in Church! But during the carol before he was to take his place in the tableau a figure came in, in the costume, and I realised that it was Kevin, the man who had gone to check on Max - he had taken over!

It was absolutely fine - he is a tall man in his early forties, and looked fine behind my 15 year old 'Mary' - and as it was a tableau rather than a spoken play, very few people actually twigged that the 'Joseph' in front of them was not the one who had come into Church in the costume 15 minutes earlier! Max made it in to sit and watch the rest of the service.

None of the photos I took are any good - I had knocked my camera off 'automatic' onto 'manual' without noticing, and they were all out of focus. I will see if I can get copies from someone - my friend Alison was taking some - she ended up being the only member of her family not in the tableau as one of her daughters was an angel, the other a shepherd, and her husband is the aforementioned quick-witted Kevin.

I am still at work, all week, and have baking and stuff still to do, presents to wrap, and a chapter of Access All Areas to finish before Christmas Day!

So thanks to everyone who has sent cards and e-cards (Love that cat, 'Tales' - and when I opened it and the sound track started our cat sat bolt upright and gave the computer a 'hard stare'). I apologise for skimming the FL a bit, if I haven't commented where I should please accept apologies!

Date: 19/12/2006 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Well, they say Joseph was much older than Mary, so think of it as added realism!

Date: 19/12/2006 01:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
We did once have a Joseph of about 60, but realistically I always think that as a skilled carpenter now in a position to get married, he was probably in his mid-twenties. Which, as life expectancy for the working classes was probably about 50, was in middle-age!

Date: 20/12/2006 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachel2205.livejournal.com
This is true! However, in medieval stories, often Joseph is presented as a cantankerous old man, haha. (There is a particularly brilliant apocryphal gospel that has Joseph telling Mary to shut up, because she's having a vision whilst sitting on a donkey and Joseph just wants to get to Bethlehem! :D)

Glad things went alright in the end!

Date: 20/12/2006 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I think the idea of him as being a lot older was just put about during the days of the Passion plays, when it meant that an important role could be played by a village elder, and he got the chance to be in close proximity to an eligible young lady!

Date: 20/12/2006 09:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
I'd heard once on the History Channel that they thought Joseph was in his late twenties to early thirties, and Mary in her mid to late teens. I don't recall what their reasoning was for Joseph's age, though; I think it was the theory that he might have been a widower with kids of his own, but some of the "experts" on those shows tend to take spectacular leaps of reasoning.

Date: 20/12/2006 01:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I can't see any reason for him to have been a widower - the gospels just say that he was a carpenter, and that they were betrothed. Presumably those who wanted to believe that he and Mary never consummated their marriage coped with the gospel passage that mentions Jesus' brother by assuming that Joseph had other children - although if Jesus wasn't genetically his, then they wouldn't have been related to Jesus anyway.....!

Date: 22/12/2006 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Oh, yes, I remember now, that was exactly it. But there's no reason I know of why Mary wouldn't have had children after she and Joseph married. Pardon me for saying this, but that sounds like something the Catholics came up with ... the whole Mary was Perfect thing. it seems unlikely to me that the two would be married their whole lives and never have more children.

Date: 22/12/2006 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
that sounds like something the Catholics came up with Yes - I'm sure it was.

Date: 19/12/2006 12:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mygothangel.livejournal.com
did my card arrive? (sometimes I don't trust the mail lol)

great icon!

Date: 19/12/2006 01:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It arrived this morning - thank you so much.

I love this icon as well - although I'm not sure where I got it from.

Date: 19/12/2006 01:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caliente-uk.livejournal.com
I'm so happy to hear that Daughter-dear is enjoying her time at York so much! It must be such a relief for you. :)

I love your story about the Church Nativity Service. It's a good thing Kevin was so quick thinking! :D

K breaks up tomorrow, followed by my husband and son on Friday...so if I'm not around much over the next week or so, that's the reason why! :)

I hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas and New Year. Thank you for all your support and friendship this year. I really do appreciate it! *hugs*

Date: 19/12/2006 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Have a lovely Christmas yourselves as well.

And yes, it is a real relief to actually see her face to face, and know that she really is enjoying life in York.

Date: 19/12/2006 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] going-not-gone.livejournal.com
Oh, dear, poor Max. I'm glad Kevin was able to fill in and all ended well, and I'm glad D-d is enjoying college life.

Happy LJ-versary and Merry Christmas!

Date: 19/12/2006 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Happy LJ-versary and Merry Christmas!Thank you muchly.

As for Daughter-dear - she seems to continue to evolve easily from small daughter to young teenager, school senior to college student. I am so pleased that I really like the person my daughter is - I think it is the main achievment of parenthood to produce offspring that you like, and I know you agree!

Date: 19/12/2006 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamerjules.livejournal.com
Sounds like a perfectly lovely service. And yes, isn't it fascinating how flawless things look when you don't see what's behind the curtain.

Loved the switching out of Joseph - it was just so darling and sweet though I'm sure I should be appalled at a hung over 18yo Joseph. Just can't though.

Date: 19/12/2006 07:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
18 is officially the age at which you can go into pubs and buy alcohol in most of Europe, younger in some places. There are always under-age drinkers, but Max was quite legally partying - unfortunately at that age you are still a bit unsure how much you can drink before it leaves you feeling distinctly under the weather! Still - better learn then than later, and he certainly won't forget it in a hurry :~)

Date: 19/12/2006 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamerjules.livejournal.com
Oh, I do know that, it's just that on this side of the pond we do tend to be more hypocritical about it. And there are more than a few churches that wouldn't approve at all, period, legal or not.

He didn't do the smartest thing in the world, but it wasn't wrong by any means and he will remember that lesson for a good long while.

Date: 19/12/2006 10:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
more than a few churches that wouldn't approve at all,

Yep - if he'd been a Methodist he would have to face some awful lectures!

Course the real Joseph probably got himself well and truly drunk when he first realised Mary was pregnant, and it was nothing to do with him....!!

Date: 19/12/2006 11:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dreamerjules.livejournal.com
Very true that.

Now, as a Methodist, sadly I have to agree with you. I was going to say there are some congregations that wouldn't have made that big a deal out of it, but I can't even convince myself of that.

Just being happy you guys don't have the equivalent of Southern Baptist over there. They manage to take the fun out of everything. :-)

Date: 20/12/2006 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Just being happy you guys don't have the equivalent of Southern Baptist over there. They manage to take the fun out of everything. :-)

Amen to that - you might say!

Date: 19/12/2006 02:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayinhara.livejournal.com
You must be very proud of D-d. She is adjusting so well to being a college student, in all aspects. Congratulations are due to the parents, too.

Date: 19/12/2006 07:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
She really is - her first essay she wasn't happy with - she hadn't really got to grips with what was needed and how to present it - she got 58 marks. Her second one she felt she had a better grasp of, and got 68. The last one of term was on a subject that she knew nothing about - the idea was really to have to research thoroughly - she got 72 - a 1st, which is very unusual for a first term essay. She says it is just that she quickly learns how to work out the hoops and jump through them - but I think it takes a good bit of understanding and insight to get to that level, and am very proud of her transition from schoolgirl to student. And equally proud that she is managing her money fine, and has made new friends.

Date: 19/12/2006 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] julia-here.livejournal.com
(Would be grumbling and fulminating about certain African bishops who don't understand the spirit of the Anglican compromise, but that would be boring. So I'll just be irrationally rantish instead).

Miss Perfect was sick Sunday, and I was grumpified in many ways, and only the menfolk went to church, so, of course, John Van Eenwyk was preaching.

We tend to do the Nativity stuff at family service on Christmas Eve and on Epiphany, whichever one has fewer reality problems; over the past years the Church has been closed for roof damage, the heating system having died, plumbing problems, and, last Sunday, the word was on Saturday that there might not be service for lack of electricity. All these things (except the last, which was a bad prediction) happened before we called a lesbian vicar, so the aforementioned Bishop can just go read Matthew Mark Luke and John and find out what Christ said about women, and gays, and stoning sinners...

Julia, satanic, indeed.

Date: 19/12/2006 07:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
We try to do the nativity on the Sunday before Christmas even though some of the children have usually already gone to visit grandparents. We thought Christmas Eve was actually a bit too close to the day, but we have a candle-lit carol service on Christmas Eve which is always lovely.

We can sit back, in our little denomination, and watch the Anglicans arguing - although we have not officially accepted gay ministers ourselves. Our individual congregations appoint ministers, and it is up to them to choose a minister that suits them - if his/her sexuality was an issue for that congregation they would presumably appoint a 'straight' person, but I don't think I've ever heard of there being any big rumpus about a minister being accepted or rejected because of sexuality. The spirit of URC compromise!

D-d heard Archbishop Sentamu of York preach last week, she didn't see him, because the Minster was so full, but she says he is a very good preacher!

Date: 20/12/2006 12:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rachel2205.livejournal.com
Andrew has heard Sentamu - I haven't yet, shockingly - and said he was wonderful (and Andrew isn't a Christian). Apparently he has extraordinary presence.

Date: 20/12/2006 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
D-d was impressed - she said the rest of the Carol Service was a bit of an anti-climax - a lot of drama, which they couldn't see at all, and only 2 carols, but it was worth going to hear the A-B.

Date: 20/12/2006 12:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jerusha
I'm glad to hear that D-d is doing so well, and that you had such a quick witted "Joseph"! That was some very quick thinking. :)

Date: 20/12/2006 01:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
That was some very quick thinking. :)
Wasn't it? And it looked fine.

Date: 20/12/2006 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cbtreks.livejournal.com
I left a comment but it got eaten. *sniff* The gist of which was that I love your church stories and think the kids in the nativity are always cute!

Date: 20/12/2006 01:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I've had that hapen to my comments much too often recently.

Date: 20/12/2006 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-maia.livejournal.com
I'm glad D-d is doing so well! You must be very proud of her.


I'm glad that the service went well, and thank goodness for Kevin's quick-wittedness!

Date: 20/12/2006 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
We are very proud of how well she has settles in. And the Nativity was so funny - although it could have been a disaster - definitely The Lord was keeping an eye on us!

Date: 20/12/2006 09:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bojojoti.livejournal.com
I love the behind the scenes peek.

I don't expect your LJ life to pick up, what with your daughter being home and Christmas looming fast. Real life trumps LJ, and I never expect comments and am always gratified when they happen.

Date: 20/12/2006 01:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
RL still involves work this week, and baking. But next week it will be lovely - lazing around with family and my LJ friends as well.

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