curiouswombat: (notes from a small island)
[personal profile] curiouswombat
I said, in the 365 project post on Sunday, that I had visited another of our church yards and taken some pictures. The church in question is Andreas, in the north of the island. Like some of our other churches it houses some early Christian, and pagan, crosses and slabs. I mainly took pictures of two of the norse crosses, and a few out in the church yard which may be of interest to Canadian and Australian friends.



So - a general view of Andreas church yard - stones all at odd angles, as is common in old graveyards, as the ground sinks through the natural decay of what is under it! I would have expected there to be more very old graves at Andreas - the records for the church in my Mum's village of Bride only go back to about 1700, before that it seems to have been one large parish with Andreas at the centre - but the churchyard actually seems smaller, and no graves much before 1800.

Andreas, general view

As is usual in the north of the island - my relatives the Christians and the Howlands are much in evidence. I remember going to Andreas to visit Crellin family graves with my grandmother nearly 50 years ago - but I couldn't find them this time.

Christians and Howlands

Inside the church are a couple of whole stone crosses, and a few fragments. Some are too faded to really photograph well - but this is a fragment of Thorwald's Cross - about 1150 years old - the church wardens have had it set into a piece of wood to show what size it would have been.

Thorwald's cross

The picture is 'the coming of Christianity' - the figure holds a cross in one hand and the gospel in the other (my trusty website of Manx crosses tells me), the fish in front of him is a symbol of Christianity, and the entwined serpents above his head apparently symbolise the triumph of Christ over the Devil.

This large slab is Sandulf's cross -


Sandulf's Cross


Although actually we should probably call it Arinbjorg's cross as Sandulf raised it in memory of Arinbjorg, his wife. This is her - riding a horse -

Sandulf's Cross, detail

And here are a couple of other details. It is a wonderful cross - crammed with detail - here are a goat and a cockrel.

Sandulf's Cross - goat?  Horse?

Sandulf's Cross, cockrel

It is in pretty good condition for something over 1,000 years old.

The church itself is a simple solid building, I didn't manage to take a very good picture of it.

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The only interesting thing is that they built the bell tower after the church, and actually attached it only by an arch to the rest of the building. It had a tall spire. Here is an old photo to show the spire. But at the outbreak of WW2 an airfield was built on the outskirts of the village, and the spire was declared to be a hazard, and so they ripped down half the tower, and the spire, leaving a squat, flat roofed tower. The Ministry of War said it would pay for it to be replaced after the war, but they never did. Sometime in the past twenty years or so, the parish had the crenellations added to 'finish' the tower, having given up hope of ever getting a spire again!

I took a few pictures in the more modern end of the churchyard - this first show what is a sort of 'nursery corner' - they keep an area near the church for tiny babies, often not christened, to be buried together - a very sad, and yet peaceful, little spot -

Andreas 'nursery corner'

And near the baby corner is a section of WW2 war graves - airmen killed coming in to the airfield, or in accidents on the island, who were based at Andreas -

Andreas war graves

When you read the headstones it is clear that the three or four men crews who flew together were buried together. Also that a number of the planes that crashed on the island were flown by Australian and Canadian crews -

Australian pilot

Canadian pilot

I wonder if their families can visualise this tiny corner of a country churchyard? Do they still have anyone alive who know where they are buried? But, as you can see, their graves are kept tidy, and their headstones kept clean.

As you can tell, it was a very overcast and grey afternoon last Friday - but, just as I returned to the car, the sun came out - and I took a picture of the village war memorial, on its small patch of grass outside the church gate -

War memorial



In other news - D-d phoned home last night and we talked for over an hour. She is really looking forward to the course, has met some nice new people, a couple of others she already knew, even if not well, and the new house is really good. She is enjoying driving around York - it holds no qualms for her at all. Which will amuse anyone on my FL who have tried to drive in and around York!

All in all, I don't think we need worry about her.

Date: 01/10/2009 07:55 pm (UTC)
deird1: Fred looking pretty and thoughful (Default)
From: [personal profile] deird1
Wow. The idea of having a church with a graveyard, or a church with old stuff in it, or just a church that old...

...it baffles my Aussie mind, it really does.

Date: 01/10/2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Whereas to us it is just normal! A lot of those Howlands and Christians ended up in Australia. Well - not those particular ones as they all clearly ended up in Andreas!

Actually, when my daughter visited her grandparents in Australia, she said it was an interesting place to visit, but weird because it didn't have any 'proper' history, or buildings older than about 100 years old.

Date: 01/10/2009 08:24 pm (UTC)
jerusha: (dean exciting)
From: [personal profile] jerusha
Gorgeous pictures. I have to admit that it baffles me as well to have something that old around. Our town is barely 200, if I remember correctly.

Glad to hear that D-d is doing so well!

Date: 01/10/2009 08:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Thanks. It is fascinating the differences in our environments - we see something 1,000 years old as interesting, but just part of our landscape.

You will recognise some of what D-d is going through - the change from being an undergrad in a university to a postgrad at law college and having a whole lot of new stuff to come to grips with.

Date: 01/10/2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
jerusha: (books/cleverness)
From: [personal profile] jerusha
Oh, yes! I remember that all too well.

Date: 01/10/2009 09:27 pm (UTC)
gillo: (Castle on a grey day)
From: [personal profile] gillo
It seems so odd to me to live somewhere with no real history like that. (Only half tongue-in-cheek) I went to infant school within ten miles of where the Staffordshire Hoard was discovered.

Date: 01/10/2009 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Reminds me of what Kat said when she came home from Berlin;

"It's a very modern city..."

Me; "Well of course, it must have almost all been built since the war."

Kat; "No - I mean the rest of it. Do you know there is hardly a building that's over 300 years old?"

Date: 01/10/2009 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ningloreth.livejournal.com
Thorwald's and Sandulf's crosses remind me of Pictish art, especially those curls at the top of the horse's legs. I love the cockerel and have saved him. (I've made a note of the name Sandulf, too :-)

[Piso's a Christian, he worships a fish...]

The Airmen's graves are particularly moving -- there's something about the white marble, which I suppose suggests sacrifice -- and the babies' graves, too. Are the babies actually on consecrated ground?

I notice you've posted another chapter of The Brotherhood, and some drabbles, too. I'm in state of total will-never-be-able-to-write-again-panic at the moment, but will read them as soon as I've sorted my next chapter, & get a chance to catch up :-)

Date: 01/10/2009 08:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Here is the site (http://www.iomguide.com/crosses/andreas/kirk-andreas.php) with more info about the crosses and the names. Actually I have some other really nice close ups, but the post was getting a bit long, and they are actually taken from casts, I think, of Sandulf's cross. I have a wolf, a couple of horses and what I think is a huntsman, a hunting dog, and a stag. There is something quite Rohirric about them, I think. Would you like me to e-mail them sometime?

I know how you feel about the writing just now - I have 1,500 words of the next chapter done, but am managing to put off writing any more for hours and hours every evening - I know what is due to happen but am having trouble getting it into the right, and logical, order!

ETA - I am fairly sure the babies are in consecrated ground, unless they managed to leave a bit unconsecrated in a strange place - you can see them in the picture of the war graves - they are between them and the fence. Unless they actually moved the fence since the war to make room for them, which, I guess, is quite possible. In which case it is just possible that they are fulfilling 'the letter of the law' and are in unconsecrated ground, whilst being outside the spirit of that idea, as they are, so clearly, within the church yard.
Edited Date: 01/10/2009 09:04 pm (UTC)

Date: 02/10/2009 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ningloreth.livejournal.com
Would you like me to e-mail them sometime?

Oh, yes please!

In the period of history I studied (16th/17th century) the clergy would sometimes find a way to soften the blow, burying them just outside the churchyard, or keeping a separate record of their deaths (which was important from our point of view because, otherwise, they were completely eliminated from the historical record). Are they still excluded from consecrated ground, do you know?

Date: 02/10/2009 09:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I think they must be allowed burial in consecrated ground now - maybe I could ask the minister on Sunday.

I will zap the extra pictures off to you.

Date: 02/10/2009 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ningloreth.livejournal.com
They're lovely! Thank you.

Date: 01/10/2009 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairistiona7.livejournal.com
I'm glad your daughter is doing so well. :)

It's sad to think about the Australian airmen, dying so far from home. I'm glad someone still tends their graves with such care.

Date: 01/10/2009 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
She sounds as if she is really enjoying the new experience - with the bonus of being in a city she knows and can even show new friends around.

All war graves in the big cemeteries on the continent are kept well, but you are right, it is good to see that the small plots within church yards are also looked after.

Actually, logically there must be similar airmen's graves in the churchyard at Jurby, a few miles from this one, as it had a bigger wartime air base - I must go and look some time.

Date: 01/10/2009 08:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inzilbeth-liz.livejournal.com
Your photos so make me want to visit your island if only to see these wonderful Norse pieces 'in the flesh'. It's just fabulous that they're so well preserved. And I never knew that entwined serpents symbolised the triumph of Christ over the devil. And what an extraordinary story about that tower.

I'm glad to know that your daughter has settled down again so well.

Date: 01/10/2009 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Well - we have a spare single bed...

Date: 01/10/2009 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inzilbeth-liz.livejournal.com
One day I would love to take you up on that!

Date: 01/10/2009 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
You'd be very welcome.

Date: 01/10/2009 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slaymesoftly.livejournal.com
More awesome and interesting photos. Old graveyards can be so peaceful and pleasant. Which is kind of weird, if you think about it...


Which will amuse anyone on my FL who have tried to drive in and around York!

Amen! And here I thought it was just us. lol

Date: 01/10/2009 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I have a lot more church yards to 'do' yet! They are always such peaceful places to visit that I am glad that I started this ad hoc series of pictures.

And as for getting around York - here was me worrying about her driving on the mainland, and she was quite apprehensive herself - and then she says driving around York is fun!

Date: 01/10/2009 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] slaymesoftly.livejournal.com
*raises hand* Uh, no, it isn't! LOL

Date: 01/10/2009 11:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I'm with you on that!
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Date: 01/10/2009 09:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Thanks - nice to see you getting on-line - I know you were getting problems.

She is sounding so full of bounce - she is really happy about the upcoming year even though it is going to be hard work.

Date: 01/10/2009 09:33 pm (UTC)
gillo: (Sanctuary)
From: [personal profile] gillo
Fascinating - definitely a crossover style - Saxon, Norse, a touch of something even older, like Pictish. Some bits make me think of the Staffordshire hoard, especially the bloke holding out the cross to fend off evil. A Giles ancestor, perhaps?

Date: 01/10/2009 09:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
They are a wonderful mix of styles - not surprising I guess as by the time they were carved the population was a good mix!

I like the idea of the early watcher - it fits in exactly with The Cloak of Mist (http://www.speaker-to-customers.me.uk/buffyverse/tcom1.htm).

Date: 01/10/2009 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com
Fascinating; thanks for posting these. I always feel like I'm learning something when I read your posts!

So sad to think of those airmen buried so far from home. I'll bet their families never got to visit and see the site. Of course I've been watching "Foye's War" DVDs and am currently very focused on WWII!

Date: 01/10/2009 11:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It would be good to think that they at least saw pictures of the quiet country spot where their loved ones are buried - but I'm not sure that they even sent them pictures at that time.

Date: 02/10/2009 07:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wildecate.livejournal.com
Next time I come to IoM I shall print out a list of all the places you've taken photos of and go and visit all of them! The piece of stone set in wood looks amazing.

Date: 02/10/2009 12:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
A lot of the parish churches have bits of Norse and Celtic carving - these ones in Andreas are really neat.

Date: 02/10/2009 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bojojoti.livejournal.com
Arinbjorg wasn't much a looker, was she?

Love the last photo. What a beautiful sky.

Date: 02/10/2009 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Ah - but her husband must have really loved her!

The last picture just doesn't look like the same day, does it? And yet I took it no more than ten minutes after the ones of the airmen's graves.

Date: 02/10/2009 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayinhara.livejournal.com
Thanks for the wonderful pictures from the church at Andreas.

Arinbjorg may have been quite a looker, one cannot tell by the carving. True portraits don't become very realistic till the end of the Middle Ages.

I always marvel at how new Durango, CO is. This area doesn't have any buildings from before the American Civil War except for the wonderful Pre-Puebloan aka Anasazi archaelogical sites.

Date: 02/10/2009 04:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I think the Anasazi sites look fascinating - and must be at least as old as our Norse stuff.

I always think our village is quite new - it only really goes back about 250 years. But then I think, the pub in the middle of the village was built in 1800 - so Durango is newer!

Date: 02/10/2009 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayinhara.livejournal.com
The Anasazi settled around the Four Corners area starting in 800 CE. The amazing sites are from the Pueblo III period, or 1100 - 1200 CE.

Date: 03/10/2009 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindahoyland.livejournal.com
The ancient cross is fascinating.I'm glad your daughter is settling in well.

Date: 03/10/2009 09:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
We have quite a lot of Norse and Celtic crosses and slabs - the sort of thing you would expect to be in museums - but the originals are usually kept inside the church of whichever parish they were discovered in - so tracking them down involves a grant tour of the whole island.

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