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In yesterday's post I had a picture of Odd's Cross, a piece of ninth century Viking carving from Old Kirk Braddan Church. When I stopped by there on Saturday I took a few more photos than just that one. They include some pictures of the church yard and a couple more thousand year old crosses.



I went into the churchyard from the main road, over a very old stile, rather than through the gate on the road above. This is the sign that explains how long there has been a place of worship on the site.

Old Kirk Braddan 8

This is that rebuilt church... Actually they eventually built a new one just across the road in 1876, which is why this one is Old Kirk Braddan - but they still hold services in the old one, as you can see.

I just love the way the stones are now on odd angles, all higgledy-piggledy and with ferns and ivy, even montbretia, growing out of some of the tombs!

Old Kirk Braddan 7

Old Kirk Braddan 6

Old Kirk Braddan 5

And this one which has the memorials on top with their own little roof - giving a two storey effect - the dates on it seems to be in the 1820s.

Old Kirk Braddan 4

The central one here is the grave of someone who worked for the Isle of Man Steam Packet 'for many years' before his death in 1877 - so presumably almost since the company was formed in 1830.

Old Kirk Braddan 3

Here it is closer up -

Skillicorn Grave Stone

His epitaph, for those of you who like this sort of thing, reads;

Here at anchor I do lay
With many of our fleet.
In hope again for to set sail
Our Admiral Christ to meet!

His wife's is less interesting;

All the pains and griefs are over.
Every restless tossing passed;
Perfect joy and peace for ever
Safely home in heaven at last.

The names in the church yard are mainly 'local' - they were Skillicorns and some of the stones in the other pictures are for families of Kellys, Killeys, Kewleys and Cains.

I was rather taken with this one though -

Old Kirk Braddan 2

In case you can't read that easily - what it says is; Here under lyeth the body of the Reverend Mr Patrick Thompson, Minister of God's Word 40 years, at present Vicar of KK Braddan, aged 67 Anno 1673. Deceased ye 24th of April Anno 1689.

So the stone was made for him 16 years before he died! I wonder where they kept it?

This is the interior of the church - as you can see it is very plain, although there is a fine pulpit with a slightly lower lectern as part of it, and a few memorials around the walls.

Old Kirk Braddan interior

It is quite dark inside, and I took it with just the natural light - so it is not terribly clear.

I have to admit that I didn't really look at the memorials, I was more interested in the ancient carved crosses in the back of the church. Here are a few of them -

Wheel Head Cross and Cross Patee

Those are ; on the left(according to the little piece of paper under it) a 'cross patee found built into a wall near the church in 1856'. Beside it is a wheel headed cross 'with a badly designed figure of eight design surrounded by an oval ring with twist-and-ring patters. The shaft is decorated with a rectangular panel having a loop-plait in two parallel columns. The general character shows Anglian influence, but the execution is faulty.' The person who wrote the label was, clearly, not impressed! They found it being used as part of a stile before they brought it to the church.

The one only just visible at the right is Thorstien's cross - it is very worn in places - presumably because it was being used as a doorstep into the church for many years! It is called Thorstien's Cross because there are readable runes that say Thorstein erected this cross to the memory of Ofeig son of Krina.

This large Wheel headed cross is actually known as the Braddan Cross -

The Braddan Cross

It stands 5 feet high, and was made in the ninth century. You can just about make out the figures of a couple of lions, and Daniel is on there somewhere, too.

Odd's Cross is the one I posted yesterday - well actually it is just the upright - they seem to have mislaid the side arms and head - goodness knows where they are, probably built into a barn somewhere. This bit had been used as a lintel in the doorway to the church tower - the rest was probably lopped off so that it fitted...

It's called Odd's Cross because the runes say Odd raised this cross to the memory of his father Frakki. It then has the fascinating two words But Thor and then we come to the bit that's lost. Bother!

Odd's Cross

Anyway - back to the outside of the church - this is a slightly more orderly area of the church yard - about as orderly as it gets. Is that a yew? I think it is, but I'm not good at tree ID, I fear. It really ought to be.

Old Kirk Braddan 1

And finally -

Old Kirk Braddan Bier.

Yes - it is a bier - just parked beside the church - or not so much a bier as a bogie for coffins! Wonder how old the pram was that they got the wheels from? And when they made it?



So - I have to admit, despite all the ancient, ancient stuff, my favourites are the seventeenth century 'made in advance' stone, and the bogie!

Date: 31/08/2009 06:12 pm (UTC)
jerusha: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jerusha
Very cool pictures. I love old graveyards.

Date: 31/08/2009 06:19 pm (UTC)
gillo: (Castle on a grey day)
From: [personal profile] gillo
I love all that Celtic knotwork - and I think it's more fun when they get things a bit wrong - like the pseudo-Michaelangelo one the wall in Warwick! The bogie is particularly good, though - I saw it and immediately wanted it for my next play!

Great pictures.

Date: 31/08/2009 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Me too. Perhaps I should visit a few more for my journal friends.

Date: 31/08/2009 06:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I love the way the person writing the info cards wasn't impressed with it being about 1,000 years old - no, he just noticed where they had gone wrong. A bit like me with other people's aran sweaters, I guess!

The bogie is just wonderful, isn't it? I'm not sure if they do burials in the old churchyard any more - the new church has a small one and then they opened a whole new graveyard just up the hill a little, but I would so want to have my coffin pulled along on a coffin bogie!

What play?

But Thor...

Date: 31/08/2009 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brutti-ma-buoni.livejournal.com
... smote him right heartily for his presumption?

... was so pleased he took the stone for himself?

... sent a troll Olaf who carried it away to this place?
(Sorry about that. Someone's crossovers are getting into my brain).

I love these insoluble mysteries - and also enjoy the snotty labels that sometimes seem determined to put you off the ancient and thrilling thing you're looking at.

Date: 31/08/2009 07:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com
That's just so cool.

The oldest building my my hometown is also a church-- but it was built in 1850s!

Re: But Thor...

Date: 31/08/2009 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
The Thor mystery really deserves to be solved! I think you could be right in your third suggestion, though.

The little scraps of card were also such fun - sort of 'we have some very good crosses where the pattern was carved properly, such a pity this guy wasn't so good.. or possibly drunk.'
Edited Date: 31/08/2009 08:34 pm (UTC)

Date: 31/08/2009 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Thank you.

We are just kind of used to buildings that old - the church we had our marriage blessed in has some bits dating from the tenth century! Although to be honest, most of it was a good bit more modern.

Date: 31/08/2009 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com
Very, very interesting.

Date: 31/08/2009 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inzilbeth-liz.livejournal.com
What a wonderful place! I thought our church was old at 500 years! The Viking crosses are especially interesting. It just so happens that I've read both the Volsung Saga and Beowulf in the last few days so it almost seems uncanny that you should post this now when my mind is full of all things Norse!

Date: 31/08/2009 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] framefolly.livejournal.com
Fascinating! Thank you for taking and sharing the pictures, and describing them in words that help us to see the context.

As much as I love my own culture, sometimes I am sad that so much of Chinese traditional architecture is wood-based. Stone keeps so much better!

Date: 31/08/2009 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Thank you - it was my pleasure to wander around the church yard.

Date: 31/08/2009 07:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
We have quite a few old stone crosses dotted around - but your church is older by a good bit than OKB.

I've read both the Volsung Saga and Beowulf in the last few daysYou'd be in the mood for the dragons then - and will have all sorts of ideas as to what 'But Thor...' was doing there!

Date: 31/08/2009 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
The Celts and Vikings were into carved stone - although not a great deal of writing things down, which is why they are often thought of as 'barbarians'. Their houses etc were mainly wooden constructions - but they used enough stone to leave us a few glimpses.

Date: 31/08/2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
debris4spike: (Eternal love)
From: [personal profile] debris4spike
Thanks for those - as you see in my posts I love Churches - not just with my faith - but the history there as well.

I love that old stone - it's great where letters get added to make up space!

Date: 31/08/2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I should go and 'do' a few more of our churches. A project for the next few months, maybe.

That seventeenth century stone is one of my favourites, too.

Date: 31/08/2009 08:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
They are interesting, aren't they? We get kind of used to them - and then it occurs to me just how amazing it is to be able to wander into a church and for them to be sitting there - no glass, no keep-back ropes or museum keepers - just sat there in the church. Or, in some cases, in a wee shed outside!

Date: 31/08/2009 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairistiona7.livejournal.com
The ages of these things are mind-boggling. Just to compare, the oldest gravestone in my little town's oldest cemetery dates to about 1820, and was the stone for a Revolutionary War soldier (sadly, it's since disappeared, last time I looked for it). The mill in our town only dates back to about 1883 and the town itself to about 1850. So to see gravemarkers from the 1600s and crosses from the 9th century... really amazing to me.

Date: 31/08/2009 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kortirion.livejournal.com
Oooo I do like a good churchyard! Yes, more pics please. The crosses are fascinating too, I particulaly like the idea of the guy hedging his bets by including Thor.

A propos of nothing, a dealer I know told me a contact of his has some Viking brooches for sale, made of bronze and quite wearable. After the expenses of Son's wedding I plan to treat myself to one. They come from a big find in Eastern Europe, Estonia way perhaps? I'll post a pic when I get hold of it - they're fairly plain, almost triangular, shoulder brooches, but quite genuine ones. Not that attractive, but I just really like the thought of owning something a 1,000+ years old.

Date: 31/08/2009 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winsomeone.livejournal.com
Old graveyards are some of my favorite places to visit. When we visit Boston and Crewman's family, we often stop in them. Some of those are from the 1700's. Although I didn't notice any in your pictures, there are always so many small children in the oldest ones.

Date: 31/08/2009 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
We get kind of used to the amount of history all around us. We have constructions dating to 2,000BC - like this one (http://www.iomguide.com/cashtalynard.php) - I remember going to see that with my class from junior school.

But the crosses and churches and memorial slabs are more interesting!

Date: 31/08/2009 09:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I particulaly like the idea of the guy hedging his bets by including Thor.

Me too!

I just really like the thought of owning something a 1,000+ years old.

And wow! Me too again!

Date: 31/08/2009 09:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
There are some small children - although usually in family plots, often just as a line at the bottom of the headstone. Often they didn't get a mention - families were too poor - they just had them tucked into a corner of a family grave.

Date: 31/08/2009 09:57 pm (UTC)
gillo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] gillo
What play?


Lark Rise
. Not the sludgy sickly TV version but the play written for the National Theatre with music by Ashley Hutchins, John Tams and cohorts.

Date: 31/08/2009 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Ah - yes - it would be just right for Lark Rise. I loved the books and couldn't get into the TV version at all.

Date: 31/08/2009 11:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cbtreks.livejournal.com
It would be great if you "did" some more churches. Was the church just open to the public so you could walk in when there was no service? The oldest cemeteries I'm aware of locally are, I believe, from the late 1830s.

Date: 01/09/2009 04:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klme.livejournal.com
Brilliant. Wish our country had such a depth of history!

Date: 01/09/2009 05:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bojojoti.livejournal.com
I enjoyed it all. Thank you for sharing.

I don't suppose the name 'Frakki' has been handed down the ages.

Date: 01/09/2009 08:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammywol.livejournal.com
Made in advance headstone?! Now that's a memento mori for you.

Yes that's a yew tree. Very popular in churchyards. Also oddly good climbing trees as the one just outside the cafe in Cork's best park will attest - you'd swear it was fruiting children.

Date: 01/09/2009 09:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Yes - the church is open - you simply lift the latch and walk in. Hopefully it will always stay that way.

Some of our churchyards go back many, many, centuries - but usually they were 'recycled' - so the oldest stones are usually seventeenth century or more recent.

Date: 01/09/2009 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
So many Manx men and women went out to your country that you are more than welcome to have some of ours!

Date: 01/09/2009 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Thank you.

no - sadly the name Frakki seems to have dies out...!

Date: 01/09/2009 09:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
That head stone is so brilliant - I was really taken with it.

I thought it was a yew - then suddenly thought -'Meep! Maybe not!' I love the idea of a yew fruiting children.

not so random commenter

Date: 01/09/2009 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowanda380.livejournal.com
wow, sooo cool, I love graveyards and old ones are the best!

Re: not so random commenter

Date: 01/09/2009 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
My pleasure to wander around it on your behalf!

Re: not so random commenter

Date: 01/09/2009 05:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rowanda380.livejournal.com
indeed, thanks for sharing the pics and info and all :0)

Date: 03/09/2009 08:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikereader.livejournal.com
Lovely pics, and so interesting to hear all about your local history. My fave is the higgledy piggledy gravestones I think, thought the bogie comes a close second.

Date: 17/09/2009 06:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keswindhover.livejournal.com
I finally got around to looking at your crosses. They are very like the ones in northern England, right down to the wobbly execution that made the card writer so sniffy.

Pleasingly full of energy though, aren't they?

Date: 17/09/2009 07:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Woops! Just noticed this! I like the higgledy pigglediness of the gravestones too - there is something very restful about it as a place.

Date: 17/09/2009 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
They're rather nice aren't they? Not posh, or perfect, just things belonging to ordinary people of a long time ago.

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