curiouswombat: (notes from a small island)
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Daughter-dear is spending eight weeks of this summer doing a project as part of the Shell Step programme, in her case developing a database of local community organisations.

However she is having a short break from it this week to get work experience with a local law company and she seems to be enjoying every minute of this. The company, Cains is actually a major player in a number of fields, and her time there has included looking at maritime law, registering ships, a meeting of the Financial Supervision Commission to discuss the registration of a new bank, and obtaining mortgages on aircraft.

Did you know you can get a mortgage on an airplane? And that at least one big bank requires any plane mortgaged with it to have a plaque fastened to the fuselage to say so?

But the most interesting thing has been the Space Law department!

Apparently, back sometime last century, it occurred to the international community that, if satellites etc. were going to become commonplace, space needed dividing up and to belong to people. Britain, trying to own as much space as possible, pointed out that they were responsible for the Crown Dependencies, and ought to get space for them too, which the British would administer.

Except that the Manx government, in more recent years, said to the UK government "Well thanks for administering our bit of space for us, but we'll take it back now and administer it ourselves". The UK government realised that they couldn't refuse - and we now administer our own bit of space, licensing satellites etc. and earning money from it.

Now comes the really weird bit. Space was not dished out so that you own the bit above yourselves, but as a sort of patchwork to ensure reasonable bits for all. And you know which bit belongs to us? Well, if you live in the middle of the USA, just look upwards.

Yes, that's right - if you want to put a satellite into geostationary orbit over somewhere in the vague vicinity of Nebraska or Kansas you have to get it registered with the Isle-of-Man government and pay us rent!!

Now how cool is that?

Date: 25/07/2008 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pfeifferpack.livejournal.com
Had NO idea this was the case but the Isle-of-Man can be the "mouse that roared" as mankind moves through it's "property"....I'm thinking toll booths for those passing through LOL.

Kathleen

Date: 25/07/2008 07:21 pm (UTC)
ext_7254: (Smiley Dean)
From: [identity profile] ravenwings-7.livejournal.com
...That's kind of awesome. :)

Date: 25/07/2008 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] opalescence.livejournal.com
That is really quite interesting!

Date: 25/07/2008 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raingirl26.livejournal.com
that is very outrageous - i had no idea.

Date: 25/07/2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
jerusha: (adgrin)
From: [personal profile] jerusha
Hee! I'm living under Manx-owned airspace! *g*

And I'm glad that DD is enjoying her time there. It sounds like very interesting work. In fact, our school just started a specialization on Space Law.

Date: 25/07/2008 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It's weird, isn't it? But I have no reason to doubt what she says, so apparently we have landlord's rights over a bit of the USA. I wonder if any small country has bits over Russia or China?

Date: 25/07/2008 09:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It is quite wonderful in its weirdness - but I have no reason to doubt it!

Date: 25/07/2008 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
She saw a map, but couldn't read exactly which state was under which bit - but 'our bit' is apparently prime space real estate 'somewhere over the middle of the USA' she says!

Date: 25/07/2008 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I would have expected us to own a bit over some empty sea somewhere - but my daughter is quite certain that it is really 'somewhere over the middle of the USA'.

It sounds as if the whole of orbital space has been divided like medieval strip farming to give everyone fair shares.

Date: 25/07/2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I'm glad that DD is enjoying her time there

She is fascinated by the whole thing, and they have been very good at organising things so that she saw a lot, spent time in their library, understood how the business actually runs. They don't have to do this - she just wrote and asked if there was any chance of either an internship or work-experience, and they said that although there were no internships, she was welcome to come and spend time with them.

Apparently Cains are quite well up with their specialism in space law - for such a small place, who'd a thunk?

Date: 25/07/2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com
Perfect - when the illuminati want to put up more orbital mind control lasers the Manx government will benefit! Fnord!

Date: 25/07/2008 10:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com
Space sounds a lot more interesting than Health and Safety law. :(

Date: 25/07/2008 10:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It is just wonderful, isn't it? She is quite convinced that this is the case - and has seen paperwork for some of the satellites... not sure whether the illuminati are involved - or even David Icke...

Date: 25/07/2008 10:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I also rather like the idea of planes flying around with 'this plane is mortgaged with Barclays' written on them on small brass plaques!

Date: 25/07/2008 10:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] winsomeone.livejournal.com
Space stuff is so bizarre isn't it?

I knew about the plane loan-a friend of mine owns a Cessna,although his bank doesn't require anything to be attached to it. :-)

Date: 25/07/2008 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It is really weird, isn't it? But she was quite serious about it, and I have no reason to doubt that it is true!

It was the thought of the plaque that really got me about the plane mortgages, too!

Date: 26/07/2008 01:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com
Really? That's wild! I mean, not that I"m going to run out and put up a satellite over Omaha or anything, but who knew?

Date: 26/07/2008 03:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard ... sounds like a government operation! So, who should the governor of nebraska make the check out to? :-)

Date: 26/07/2008 06:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maevebran.livejournal.com
HheeeHee. That is pretty funny.

Date: 26/07/2008 07:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bojojoti.livejournal.com
Well, as long as it stays up there, and doesn't fall down on my home...

I have a bit of Manx over my head.

Date: 26/07/2008 08:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It is wonderfully weird - the sort of small fact that is irresistable.

Date: 26/07/2008 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
who should the governor of nebraska make the check out to? :-)
If he ever wants to put his own satellite up then 'Ise-of-Man Government' should be adequate....

Date: 26/07/2008 08:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It's just gloriously silly, isn't it?

Date: 26/07/2008 08:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Cool, isn't it? Fire a rocket straight up fom your yard, and a mile or two up it passes through our bit of space!

Date: 26/07/2008 11:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com
Ack! You own my air!

I just want to know if you still have to turn around and pay that rent to Manannan, that's all.

Date: 26/07/2008 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayinhara.livejournal.com
The bit about air space is wonderful and wacky. I wonder who owns the air space over Colorado or for that matter over NYC?

Date: 26/07/2008 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I think it's only the bit above the air...

I think perhaps Mannanan would get the right to put up as many satellites as he liked without question, maybe!

Date: 26/07/2008 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It is just wonderfully weird, isn't it?

I've been trying to find a map online to see who owns which bits of space - but my Google-fu seems to have deserted me, I don't seem to be able to get the right search criteria.
Edited Date: 26/07/2008 04:46 pm (UTC)

Date: 26/07/2008 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cbtreks.livejournal.com
Wonder who owns the space above me? (Does that sound like the beginning of a philosophical discussion?) Glad DD is enjoying her time at the law firm. Is she condsidering law school, then?

Date: 26/07/2008 08:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spikendru.livejournal.com
Well, that's just . . . strange. But, good for the Manx decision to administer their own space. And now I'm wondering who owns the space above London, because with all the Doctor Who invasions going on, someone should be making tons of money!

Date: 26/07/2008 08:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
The ownership of sections of space is a truly wonderful concept.

She is planning to go to law school when she has finished her degree - so another year to go until she has her BA, and then, hopefully, two years post-frad at law-school. Then she hopes to do corporate law.

And then she can keep me in a manner to which I'd like to be accustomed....

Date: 26/07/2008 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Somewhere there are maps to show you who has administrative rights over all the bits of space - but I haven't found it yet.

Date: 27/07/2008 05:19 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
I don't even know if there are any *people* in Nebraska ...

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