curiouswombat: (notes from a small island)
curiouswombat ([personal profile] curiouswombat) wrote2008-07-25 07:30 pm
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We own ur skyz, u iz payin us rent....

Daughter-dear is spending eight weeks of this summer doing a project as part of the Shell Step programme, in her case developing a database of local community organisations.

However she is having a short break from it this week to get work experience with a local law company and she seems to be enjoying every minute of this. The company, Cains is actually a major player in a number of fields, and her time there has included looking at maritime law, registering ships, a meeting of the Financial Supervision Commission to discuss the registration of a new bank, and obtaining mortgages on aircraft.

Did you know you can get a mortgage on an airplane? And that at least one big bank requires any plane mortgaged with it to have a plaque fastened to the fuselage to say so?

But the most interesting thing has been the Space Law department!

Apparently, back sometime last century, it occurred to the international community that, if satellites etc. were going to become commonplace, space needed dividing up and to belong to people. Britain, trying to own as much space as possible, pointed out that they were responsible for the Crown Dependencies, and ought to get space for them too, which the British would administer.

Except that the Manx government, in more recent years, said to the UK government "Well thanks for administering our bit of space for us, but we'll take it back now and administer it ourselves". The UK government realised that they couldn't refuse - and we now administer our own bit of space, licensing satellites etc. and earning money from it.

Now comes the really weird bit. Space was not dished out so that you own the bit above yourselves, but as a sort of patchwork to ensure reasonable bits for all. And you know which bit belongs to us? Well, if you live in the middle of the USA, just look upwards.

Yes, that's right - if you want to put a satellite into geostationary orbit over somewhere in the vague vicinity of Nebraska or Kansas you have to get it registered with the Isle-of-Man government and pay us rent!!

Now how cool is that?

[identity profile] pfeifferpack.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 07:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Had NO idea this was the case but the Isle-of-Man can be the "mouse that roared" as mankind moves through it's "property"....I'm thinking toll booths for those passing through LOL.

Kathleen

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
It's weird, isn't it? But I have no reason to doubt what she says, so apparently we have landlord's rights over a bit of the USA. I wonder if any small country has bits over Russia or China?
ext_7254: (Smiley Dean)

[identity profile] ravenwings-7.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 07:21 pm (UTC)(link)
...That's kind of awesome. :)

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
It is quite wonderful in its weirdness - but I have no reason to doubt it!

[identity profile] opalescence.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
That is really quite interesting!

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
She saw a map, but couldn't read exactly which state was under which bit - but 'our bit' is apparently prime space real estate 'somewhere over the middle of the USA' she says!

[identity profile] raingirl26.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
that is very outrageous - i had no idea.

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 09:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I would have expected us to own a bit over some empty sea somewhere - but my daughter is quite certain that it is really 'somewhere over the middle of the USA'.

It sounds as if the whole of orbital space has been divided like medieval strip farming to give everyone fair shares.
jerusha: (adgrin)

[personal profile] jerusha 2008-07-25 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee! I'm living under Manx-owned airspace! *g*

And I'm glad that DD is enjoying her time there. It sounds like very interesting work. In fact, our school just started a specialization on Space Law.

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm glad that DD is enjoying her time there

She is fascinated by the whole thing, and they have been very good at organising things so that she saw a lot, spent time in their library, understood how the business actually runs. They don't have to do this - she just wrote and asked if there was any chance of either an internship or work-experience, and they said that although there were no internships, she was welcome to come and spend time with them.

Apparently Cains are quite well up with their specialism in space law - for such a small place, who'd a thunk?

[identity profile] ffutures.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Perfect - when the illuminati want to put up more orbital mind control lasers the Manx government will benefit! Fnord!

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
It is just wonderful, isn't it? She is quite convinced that this is the case - and has seen paperwork for some of the satellites... not sure whether the illuminati are involved - or even David Icke...

[identity profile] bogwitch.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Space sounds a lot more interesting than Health and Safety law. :(

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I also rather like the idea of planes flying around with 'this plane is mortgaged with Barclays' written on them on small brass plaques!

[identity profile] winsomeone.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 10:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Space stuff is so bizarre isn't it?

I knew about the plane loan-a friend of mine owns a Cessna,although his bank doesn't require anything to be attached to it. :-)

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-25 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
It is really weird, isn't it? But she was quite serious about it, and I have no reason to doubt that it is true!

It was the thought of the plaque that really got me about the plane mortgages, too!

[identity profile] zanthinegirl.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 01:48 am (UTC)(link)
Really? That's wild! I mean, not that I"m going to run out and put up a satellite over Omaha or anything, but who knew?

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 08:07 am (UTC)(link)
It is wonderfully weird - the sort of small fact that is irresistable.

[identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 03:42 am (UTC)(link)
That's the weirdest thing I've ever heard ... sounds like a government operation! So, who should the governor of nebraska make the check out to? :-)

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 08:08 am (UTC)(link)
who should the governor of nebraska make the check out to? :-)
If he ever wants to put his own satellite up then 'Ise-of-Man Government' should be adequate....

[identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com 2008-07-27 05:19 am (UTC)(link)
I don't even know if there are any *people* in Nebraska ...

[identity profile] maevebran.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 06:58 am (UTC)(link)
HheeeHee. That is pretty funny.

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
It's just gloriously silly, isn't it?

[identity profile] bojojoti.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 07:31 am (UTC)(link)
Well, as long as it stays up there, and doesn't fall down on my home...

I have a bit of Manx over my head.

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 08:10 am (UTC)(link)
Cool, isn't it? Fire a rocket straight up fom your yard, and a mile or two up it passes through our bit of space!

[identity profile] fionnabhar.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 11:28 am (UTC)(link)
Ack! You own my air!

I just want to know if you still have to turn around and pay that rent to Manannan, that's all.

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
I think it's only the bit above the air...

I think perhaps Mannanan would get the right to put up as many satellites as he liked without question, maybe!

[identity profile] ayinhara.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 03:20 pm (UTC)(link)
The bit about air space is wonderful and wacky. I wonder who owns the air space over Colorado or for that matter over NYC?

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
It is just wonderfully weird, isn't it?

I've been trying to find a map online to see who owns which bits of space - but my Google-fu seems to have deserted me, I don't seem to be able to get the right search criteria.
Edited 2008-07-26 16:46 (UTC)

[identity profile] cbtreks.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 05:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Wonder who owns the space above me? (Does that sound like the beginning of a philosophical discussion?) Glad DD is enjoying her time at the law firm. Is she condsidering law school, then?

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
The ownership of sections of space is a truly wonderful concept.

She is planning to go to law school when she has finished her degree - so another year to go until she has her BA, and then, hopefully, two years post-frad at law-school. Then she hopes to do corporate law.

And then she can keep me in a manner to which I'd like to be accustomed....

[identity profile] spikendru.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, that's just . . . strange. But, good for the Manx decision to administer their own space. And now I'm wondering who owns the space above London, because with all the Doctor Who invasions going on, someone should be making tons of money!

[identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com 2008-07-26 08:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Somewhere there are maps to show you who has administrative rights over all the bits of space - but I haven't found it yet.