curiouswombat: (notes from a small island)
[personal profile] curiouswombat
I haven't posted my Sunday pictures for a while. So, for your delectation, there are a few lower down under a cut.

Also - an update on the wandering daughter; she travelled up the east coast of Australia from Sydney to Cairns, as part of an organised group - and has dived on the Great Barrier Reef, sailed in a racing yacht, tried surfing, been in a rain forest, cuddled a koala and all sorts of other exciting things. Then she spent about 10 days with her paternal grandparents and aunt and uncle, in Australind, about 100 miles south of Perth. There she mainly chilled out, and got her breath back!

Then a bit under 2 weeks ago she flew on to Thailand. She met up with her two friends from home, she has been to Ko Phi Phi and another island, is currently in Phuket, had been on an elephant ride, canoeing, and even a Thai cookery course! She returns to Bangkok tomorrow and then home. She gets home on Wednesday lunch time - I think she might well need a day or two to flop out...

Anyway, on to the pictures, which this week show a baffling bit of church history, a gaggle of geese, and something to interest [livejournal.com profile] ellynn_ithilwen...



Firstly - a project I have undertaken for church. We realised that behind the current Cradle Roll, in its frame, were older ones. The oldest we seem to have dates back to about 1920, by some of the names, and the ink is badly faded. I have been trying to re-ink them so that they are readable, and we will put them all on display framed separately.

Some of the names are very faded - but I have found if I photograph them I can play a bit with contrast etc. and then make them out. But others have actually had bits of paper stuck over them... for some reason the then Minister, or the Elders, chose to cover over the names of some of the children who had been baptised - and we have no idea why. Any ideas?

And then they didn't even complete the roll to the end, but started another one.

So - this is the oldest cradle roll - you can see which names I have re-inked -


St Andrew's oldest (circa 1920)cradle roll


This is what the names look like before I re-ink them -


St Andrew's Cradle Roll Dorothea N Sterling


Those have had contrast increased to make them readable.

But what do I do with this?


St Andrew's cradle roll, unidentifiable


The top space appears to have three separate layers of paper glued over it; and the lower one has had a bit of plain paper stuck over it and then some of it peeled off... It's all a bit of a mystery.

Anyway, to move on, a few pictures from the garden - the fuchsias are because the theme at Photo Scavenger this week is 'dance'...


Fuchsia


other fuchsia...


And a couple from one of the rose bushes - I've forgotten her name.


Rose2


Rose 1


Now some from a little further afield - but not much - this is the view from near Braaid, looking SW.


From Braaid looking SW


I was looking for ripe blackberries. but they are nowhere near ripe here, yet -


Blackberries


This is an example of why farmers are meant to cut their thistles before they seed - but they do look pretty...


Thistle


And one with a tiny butterfly - or possibly a moth.


Thistle and small butterfly


Then I went up by Archallangan, still hoping for blackberries - but they weren't ripe there, either.


More unripe blackberries.


But the heather is nicely in flower.


Heather


And the thick tree growth made me think of The Old Forest.


Archallagan Plantation


Archallagan Plantation


A little further along I saw some free-range Christmas dinner... em... geese.


Gaggle of Geese 2


And the gaggle of geese a little closer -


Gaggle of Geese


And, finally, in this rather remote bit of the island we have...


Observatory, Foxdale.


No - not an alien spaceship, but the Isle of Man Observatory which is completely out of range of light pollution. A real plus for an observatory, of course!



In other news our ten year old Miele washer/drier is being a touch temperamental - I think it might be a good idea for it to have its first service...

Date: 21/08/2011 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ellynn-ithilwen.livejournal.com
Yay, observatory! :))) If I ever visit your island, you have to take me there. :)))


A little further along I saw some free-range Christmas dinner... em... geese.
*lol*


P.s. I love the old forest! :)
Edited Date: 21/08/2011 07:00 pm (UTC)

Date: 21/08/2011 07:02 pm (UTC)
ext_11988: made by lmbossy (Default)
From: [identity profile] kazzy-cee.livejournal.com
Can you try using steam to lift the labels?

Lovely flowers - I must plant some roses in my garden!!

Date: 21/08/2011 07:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
You'll appreciate how good it is for them that they can site the observatory away from all all habitation.

I'm not sure why those trees say 'Old Forest' to me, rather than Fangorn.

Date: 21/08/2011 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I've thought about steam - I actually have a small steam cleaner. But I'm worried about working in such small areas without damaging any of the rest of it. I think I might give it a go, though.

Date: 21/08/2011 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keswindhover.livejournal.com
Heh, I was eating blackberries today on my walk. I took a photo too - must post it. Did the young c-wombat see an actual wombat on her exciting travels?

The cradle roll mystery is indeed mysterious - for example I have not even heard of cradle rolls before.

Date: 21/08/2011 07:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wildecate.livejournal.com
Our blackberries have been in season for nearly 3 weeks. Picked 2 boxes worth yesterday with Dan.

I wonder if the reason why some of the people who had their names "erased" were considered to have done something such as getting pregnant out of wedlock or adultery or something? I know that in my Grandmother's parish a long time ago they took things like that very seriously.

Date: 21/08/2011 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] azalaisdep.livejournal.com
I don't really know enough about cradle rolls - presumably the names wouldn't have been papered over because the child died? Might it have been if the family had left the area, or left the church? (It wouldn't just be because whoever initially wrote the roll had mis-spelt a name?!)

Glad D-d has been having a great time without any further volcanic or other natural hazards!

Date: 21/08/2011 07:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] petzipellepingo.livejournal.com
The top space appears to have three separate layers of paper glued over it; and the lower one has had a bit of plain paper stuck over it and then some of it peeled off... It's all a bit of a mystery.


That is odd.

Lovely flowers.

Date: 21/08/2011 07:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I have blackberry envy.

To be honest I don't know if she saw a wombat or not - but I guess I'll find out soon.

The cradle roll records the names and birth-dates of children who have been baptised in a church or chapel. My grandfather's only proof of his age was that he appeared on a cradle roll at the chapel where he was baptised!

Date: 21/08/2011 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
The bits of paper are a real mystery - almost any suggestion is a possibility - although you'd have thought if the name was mis-spelled you'd have it written on the bit of paper that was stuck on - but often the bit stuck on was then blank.

It is quite possible the children died - it seems cruel to us to 'erase' them, but you might well be right there.

Date: 21/08/2011 08:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I'm not sure we'll ever really know why they were 'erased'. I wondered whether they had 'disgraced themselves' somehow, too, but then some names seemed to have a line through them - I've ignored the line through and inked in the names - and at least one of those was someone who went on to be an Elder!

At one stage I wondered if they were crossing them out, or pasting over them, once they were confirmed - but then there were a couple not crossed out or pasted over that were certainly confirmed...

Date: 21/08/2011 08:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I'm not sure we'll ever solve the mystery - if I do I'll certainly share the info!

That rose is a particularly nice one, I think.

Date: 21/08/2011 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ayinhara.livejournal.com
I bet that you are counting the hours til D-d returns.

Date: 21/08/2011 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keswindhover.livejournal.com
Registers of births, marriages and deaths I know - a cradle roll seems to record only one of the key three. Hmm.

Date: 21/08/2011 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I am, to be honest - although not just to have her home, but also because I must make her bed up...!

Date: 21/08/2011 08:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] inzilbeth-liz.livejournal.com
Lovely pictures, especially the geese! I can't believe your daughter's holiday is nearly over. Gosh that's flown by. You'll be glad to have her back, no doubt.

Date: 21/08/2011 08:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I think it might be a non-conformist thing. Babies are put onto the cradle roll when they are christened, and then someone at the church sends them a birthday card every birthday, generally keeps in touch with the family, and they are welcomed into the Sunday School (or quite often not, these days) at school age.

There is a brief bit here (http://preshist.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/the-cradle-roll-and-its-ephemera/) about cradle rolls in the NZ Presbyterian church - interesting to me because they have a picture of an identical one to the one in my pictures - only theirs has been filled in properly...!

Date: 21/08/2011 08:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
It will be nice to have her home again, I must admit, but she has enjoyed it so much!

I was surprised to see such a flock of geese in what was basically scrub-land. There were actually nearly 30 of them.

Date: 21/08/2011 09:20 pm (UTC)
ext_47048: (Default)
From: [identity profile] jay-of-lasgalen.livejournal.com
It's interesting to read about your daughter's travels to Sydney, Cairns, Thailand - it brings back memories, and I can now picture all those places.

I love the idea of the Cradle Roll, but it's odd that so many have been covered over!

Date: 21/08/2011 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairistiona7.livejournal.com
Your daughter really is getting on with her globe trotting, from the sounds of it. I'm sure you'll be very glad to have her home.

I don't have the first clue about the cradle rolls... as some have mentioned, the thought that perhaps the child died crossed my mind, though that hardly seems right that they would strike them from the record--they were still born, after all! Then I thought maybe a misspelling of the name. I don't suppose one of the more senior members of the church could shed some light?

And what lovely photos... that forest does indeed seem like the Old Forest. It's not really twisted enough for my idea of Fangorn but it's very much the wild and woolly Old Forest I imagine when I read about it.

Date: 21/08/2011 09:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Glad to be able to bring back memories for you - it is very much the trip of a lifetime, I think.

As for the Cradle Roll - I have to admit my first thought was that it would look so much better if they had filled it in properly!

Date: 21/08/2011 09:43 pm (UTC)
shirebound: (Default)
From: [personal profile] shirebound
I adore blackberries. We used to have wild, spreading bushes of it in our backyard when I was growing up.

I can nearly smell those glorious flowers!

Date: 21/08/2011 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
One of the oldest members of the congregation was actually talking to me about it today - she gave me a list of all her family, and her husband's family, to help me identify some of the faded names - and quite a few of the names she gave me aren't there... they are quite possibly under the pasted bits of paper! I think I'll ask her next week if she could think of anything the missing ones have in common.

Date: 21/08/2011 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Last autumn I used a lot of blackberries to make bramble brandy - but I was hoping, if I'd found any, to make a crumble for D-d coming home. however, she'll have to wait!

Date: 21/08/2011 09:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cairistiona7.livejournal.com
Please let us know if you find out! My curiousity is well and truly piqued.

Date: 21/08/2011 10:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estelcontar1.livejournal.com
By the Valar, I envy wandering daughter. I see she's having a total blast and the vacation of a lifetime. I'm sure though she'll be glad to get back home on Wednesday.

I'm very curious about the missing names.

I fell totally in love with the flower photos, especially the fuchsias, which we call "brincos de princesa" i.e. princess' earrings, and those exquisite white roses tinged with pale pink. That stone wall looks rugged and beautiful.

I love blackberries, but we haven't got them here. So, actually, I'm glad those weren't ripe. Less tempting that way. LOL

Date: 21/08/2011 10:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kortirion.livejournal.com
Great flower photos - yours are always so crisp and nicely focused. *envious*

I'm going to have to play with my camera settings some more, my close-ups all seem to come out fuzzy

Date: 21/08/2011 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
She is having a wonderful time - I was really pleased that she worked in time with her grandparents as well.

What a wonderful name for fuchsias - I must remember to tell D-d when she gets back.

Blackberries are really the taste of autumn for us - but I had hoped to find just enough to make her a crumble to welcome her home, as it is one of her favourite things.

Date: 21/08/2011 11:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Thank you! My camera just has a 'macro' setting that I use for the flowers...

Date: 22/08/2011 12:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] engarian.livejournal.com
The cradle roll is interesting. Looking at it from an art restoration point of view, this is what would be done about adhesives. Maybe it is of help to you.

"Tapes, adhesives: Removal
Pressure sensitive tapes (Scotch tape, masking tape), gummed tapes and labels, paper patches, and various adhesives on both the recto and verso of the pictures, will cause stains that eventually migrate through the paper to show on the front. Adhesive residues, tapes, and stains become increasingly difficult to remove or reduce, and may become worse with time. Methods for removal of tapes and stains are necessarily specific to each work. The kind of tape, the type of paper to which the tape is adhered, the length of time the tape has been in contact with the paper, the intrusion of the tape into the design area, and the amount of staining caused by the tape must all be considered. The tapes and residual adhesive may be removed by a number of methods, which include cutting off with a scalpel, lifting off tapes or adhesives after softening with steam or heat, or by local application or immersion in solvents. Adhesives which are still tacky may sometimes simply rolled off with a soft eraser."

As to why the names were covered, all I can think is that the person/s were not christened or confirmed and pulled from the rolls. It's an interesting mystery.

I know you'll be delighted to have D-d home again, and I also know that she'll have tales to tell you for months to come. The blackberries actually look lovely, I adore the subtle colors in the unripened ones. We've had blackberries up here for the past 2-3 weeks, but we have shorter seasons than you.

I thought of Ellynn right away when I saw that lovely observatory. How I wish I was in an area without light pollution. I adore looking at the night sky and I can't see anything here because the city lights are so bright.

Love the flower pics. Fuchsia is such a beautiful flower and one that doesn't bloom wild here - we're too cold for it. It can be purchased in hanging baskets for the summertime, but won't last long.

- Erulisse (one L)

Date: 22/08/2011 12:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cbtreks.livejournal.com
It's going to be so much fun for you to have D-d home and hear all about her travels in person, isn't it?

We have lots of geese here - glad I'm not the only one to think "hmm, Christmas dinner!" when I see them. Which is funny, since we don't often have goose for dinner. Your geese are lighter colored than ours.

A cradle roll is new to me. Not surprising, since I was raised in the Baptist church and stayed Baptist till I was nearly 30 (Methodist now). Baptists don't baptize infants - so no cradle roll.

Date: 22/08/2011 12:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lindahoyland.livejournal.com
I loved your photos!I would guess those papered over had left the church or been involved in a scandal perhaps?

Date: 22/08/2011 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nutmeg3.livejournal.com
Your daughter's trip sounds marvelous. And your photos are, as always, just perfect. I love that your rosebushes are females. And I think the unripe blackberries are particularly pretty - prettier, even if less yummy, than the ripe version.

Date: 22/08/2011 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bojojoti.livejournal.com
Our church, which is a Swedish offshoot of a Lutheran church (but in nondenominational now), has a cradle roll, and every child born is listed thereon. My SIL's children were on the cradle roll, and when our son came along, he was listed with his cousin's first name as his middle one. For two years, I tried to get my son's name changed, but I'd talk to one person who would promise to make the correction, and it would never get done, so I'd try someone else with the similar lack of success. Our son is probably still listed as Jonathan David--which is a lovely name, but it's not his! I pity the poor genealogists of the future in trying to figure that one out.

I'm a wee bit envious of your daughter's travels and experiences. What a wealth of memories she has made!

Date: 22/08/2011 05:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
Wow ... I'm always worried about my daughters, and they both only live 12 miles away ...

Date: 22/08/2011 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I am definitely considering taking my small steam cleaner into church to see if steaming will lift them. Perhaps if I could read some of the hidden names I might get some clues as to why they were hidden.

The unripe blackberries do have lovely colours in them - and there'll be ripe ones soon enough, I guess!

I really like fuchsia - apart from the one that's taken over our front garden... (http://curiouswombat.livejournal.com/193372.html#cutid1) - which is a bit much.

Date: 22/08/2011 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I'm really looking forward to hearing all the stories - and seeing the pictures.

Ah, yes, I can see why a Baptist church wouldn't have a cradle roll!

Date: 22/08/2011 07:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
Thank you! I'm guessing that in the 1920s, at least in our church, the Cradle Roll was seen less as a 'historic document' (we have children in the congregation who are fascinated to find the parents on it, for instance) and more as a fluid thing. I dread to think what they might have all been up to to get pasted over like that, though!

Date: 22/08/2011 07:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keswindhover.livejournal.com
Sounds like it's always been a minority activity, even among the Presybterians. And I was brought up in a Methodist chapel, with no cradle roll. Pity - my mum would have enjoyed it.

Date: 22/08/2011 12:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
She sent me an e-mail this morning to say she has even found time to have a work suit made to measure whilst in Phuket, ready for work when she gets home!

I agree with you about the colours of the unripe blackberries - so does Engarian/Erulisse.

Date: 22/08/2011 12:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
An elderly church member handed me a list of all her family and her husband's family, to help me make sense of it - and one of the first things I noticed was that the name of her sister was spelt differently on her version to the Cradle Roll version - I'd guess her version was right!

D-d will have such a store of memories - and she will, hopefully, let me share a few of her pictures here.

Date: 22/08/2011 12:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] curiouswombat.livejournal.com
I will be relieved to have her within sight again, I must admit - I do worry when she is travelling, even though she is very sensible about everything.

Date: 22/08/2011 07:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ozma914.livejournal.com
I understand completely. It's like when my oldest is driving: She's very careful, but there's always the *other* guy.

Date: 22/08/2011 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estelcontar1.livejournal.com
I sorry then that you didn't find ripe blackberries.

January 2025

S M T W T F S
   1234
56 7891011
12131415161718
19202122232425
262728293031 

Most Popular Tags

Page Summary

Style Credit

Expand Cut Tags

No cut tags
Page generated 9 Jun 2026 10:58 pm
Powered by Dreamwidth Studios